• About us
  • Contact Us
  • Terms and Conditions
  • Forum
  • Materials
  • Shaders
  • Tools
  • Video
  • Learn
  • Gallery
My Mental Ray

Navigation

  • Main Page
  • Cookbook

MYMR WIKI Tools

  • Creating pages
  • Markup n styles
  • Page protection
  • Help

 

Toolbox

  • Special pages
  • Printable version
  • Permanent link
Page    Discussion    View source    History   
Personal tools
  • Log in / create account

Linear color space

From Wiki

Jump to: navigation , search

You are here: mental ray cookbook / linear color space

why is everything washed out by Zap Anderson

taken from http://forums.cgsociety.org/archive/index.php/t-452901.html

Get details on : Best onlinecasino,casino bonus,Casino Games,free casino,free slots,online casino guide,Best online casino,poker game online,Casino Reviews,play poker online and Casino Guide

lixus test 400 lixus deca 300 Web Directory Home Insurance How to get white teeth Cheapest Car Insurance travel advisory olympic hockey Travel Agency reservation pay per click how to make money travel leaders auto loans online shopping

The answer is: it is washed out because before using a proper color space (gamma):

  • everything you ever used to do was WRONG
  • everything you ever got out of your rendered before was WRONG
  • everything you've ever put into it was WRONG


Back in the day, every shader you used worked in the wrong color space. A classic effect of this includes burned out lighting near lights w. decay (causing people to avoid using decay) ugly borders round highlights every <span class=plainlinks><span style=color:white;font-weight:normal; text-decoration:none!important; background:none!important; text-decoration:none;>link building</span> place where 'clipping' occurred things looked bad adding two values gave a too high sum (a 2+2=10 effect)

Due to this, many shaders included special tricks to work around the problems caused by being in the wrong color space. A classic such trick is to blend the specular highlights and the diffuse with something other than pure add (something akin to a 'Screen' blend mode in photoshop, or by simply turning down the <span class=plainlinks><span style=color:black;font-weight:normal; text-decoration:none!important; background:none!important; text-decoration:none;>loan modification</span> diffuse where there is a specular highlight).

All those tricks are WRONG, but made the images look perdy in the old, incorrect, gamma=1 color model.

The sad thing, also, is that people have - to a certain extent - gotten used to how software behaves in the old - WRONG - model.

Take the two car images posted earlier (one mr, one fR). While the mr seems to be pushed too hard into the 'compression' part of the tonemapper (whose JOB it is to desaturate overbright to make clipping visually pleasing), the fR one looks like a horrendous gamma=1 render.

Your error is to think the fR one is right or some form of reference - it ain't. You can clearly see how the reflections are far too strong, and add to the cars appearance in a very unrealistic fashion.

Now the problem; when you switch to a proper color space (in fR, mr, or any renderer), and you keep putting the wrong thing in, you will get error.

Do check that article linked earlier; even though it's about XSI it beautifully demonstrates the problem.

The thing is that any time you do a gamma correction at the end, it also means that anything going in will have to take this into account.

Colors aren't washed out due to some error. Colors are washed out because you put in washed out colors.... the problem is they didn't appear washed out to you because you watched them in a gamma=1 color swatch on a gamma 2.2 monitor!

I.e. everything you see in every un-corrected color swatch is WRONG. It's not the color it will have in the final image.

Same with textures; you have a texture which you viewed with gamma 1.0 on your gamma 2.2 monitor. But they looked right? Why? Well because every image ever made (especially 8 bit ones, like jpg) have the gamma baked in. Which means... they are all WRONG (...in this context. There is a very good reason that they use a 'baked' gamma; this gamma matches our perception curve, making each level in the file appear to be the same, which makes the perfect for encoding images in, because the encoding matches the intensity-resolution of our eyes!! If you write 8 bit files in gamma=1 you lose a lot of information!)

Yes, every single nice digital photo .jpg (story is a bit different with .raw stuff) you saw online or that you ever got from any digital camera are all WRONG (in this context).

Yes. All of them.

Why did it look right before? Because you rendered in the wrong gamma and displayed in the wrong gamma. So while your TEXTURE looked right, all the light math done inside the renderer was done wrong.

Some apps have features to correct the color swatches, and to correct incoming filetextures so they get un-gammaed into the proper, linear color space. This all is different between apps, and unfortunately is implemented incorrectly in some cases, or with bugs in other cases.

Therefore, the only way to be really sure is do do your own correction w. color conversion nodes.

mia_exposure_simple is such a node, which is a SIMPLE tonemapper. (It really is just a brightness/contrast/gamma control w. a tool to compress overbrights such that they do not clip in a ugly way. It's called simple for a reason ;) )

Now what one has to understand is that doing a gamma correction changes the relative weight between your red, green and blue component, and changing the relative weight is the same as changing the perceived saturation of the color.

What needs to be done is to put the right color in in the first place.


Overbrights

An important job for tonemappers is to handle the overbrights. mia_exposure_simple uses a simple compression, pushing colors above the 'threshold' down until they 'soft clip' to white at a much higher level than where they otherwise would hit 1.0 and hard-clip.

This push-to-white is desirable and is exactly what happens in film, cameras, CCD's, etc. You may not be used to it, which may throw you off.

Many shaders have been written in earlier days that have seen this effect in nature (i.e. how stuff that are more lit tends to push towards 'white') and tried to incorporate it in the shading itself, when the 'real' solution is that there is no complicated color shift going on at all in the surface shading, it's just a matter of properly letting high intensities push towards white.

(A classic case is skin rendering where weakly lit areas tend towards the redder, and brightly lit tend towards 'white'. Even my own misss shaders include features to do this; so if you are using any form of 'real' tone mapping with the misss shaders, turn OFF the 'screen_composit' parameter!!!)

Another thing that throws people off are specular highlights.

In the old way, specular highlights could blow out very easily, and in a very ugly way due to hard-clipping the channels.

This caused people to make them far to 'weak' (vs. their true physical intensity) because even the weak value ended up looking bright. Why? Because adding light in this WRONG space a nonlinear add.

Think of it as 2+2 not becoming 4 but 10 !!

So if 2+2=10, and you want it to be 4 (coz your eyes says that looks correct), then you notice by trial and error that 2+0.5 looks like 4, so yo use 0.5 instead of 2, and you are happy.

But when you then put this shading model through a proper tone operator (or even just use plain old gamma correctly), it will indeed look like 2.5 not 4.

This is what has caused many people to throw their hands up and say this gamma stuff sucks, it worked much better before and give up on it!!!

When the real error was that your specular highlight was way too low.

The mia_material handles this correctly, and you will quickly notice that if you used it with NO gamma correction or tonemapping, you will most likely perceive it's highlights as too strong. This is because the shader is right and you are looking at it wrong.

Physical rendering is difficult, mostly due to the fact that there is such a deeply rooted incorrect workflow and software written that does it wrong.

People seem to think that renderers like Maxwell etc. are magic and much better than things like mental ray, when the simple fact is that the only major difference is that those renderers were written with physical rendering ONLY from day #1, and has no old baggage of 'wrong workflow' and compatibility with decades of doing stuff wrong to worry about.

They can make all color swatches properly corrected, and uncorrect any incoming textures automatically because the renreres know for sure that the output will be viewed in a physical manner, seen through a physical tone mapper, corrected properly for the screen!!

essay writing


Accounting Assignment Assignment writing Physics Assignment Mathematics Assignment Computer Programming Assignment


Dissertation writing services

Thesis writing services Essay writing services uk Essay writing services Coursework writing

  • gall bladder symptoms
  • alcoholics anonymous
  • Gallbladder Polyp
  • alcohol withdrawal
  • Irritable bowel syndrome symptoms in women
  • Gall Bladder Symptoms
  • Irritable bowel syndrome symptoms in women
  • Gall Bladder Symptoms
  • Payless Shoe Store
  • Zappos Jobs
  • merchant cash
  • tadalafil

External links

  • Linear workflow 'reloaded' - a nice article on gamma in 3ds Max with Vray by Gijs de Zwart, also applicable to mr.
  • http://www.vizdepot.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=22177
  • Gamma, Linear Color Space and HDR - very nice and detailed discussion of gamma in the context of rendering and compositing, written for XSI and mr but also applies to 3ds Max.
  • Colorspaces in XSI by Harry Bardak, again written for XSI, contains good information about sRGB and why gamma is important
  • Colour space, and the many pitfalls discusses a linear color workflow from a compositor's point of view
  • Linear Workflow Introduction by Andrew is another blog entry discussing a serving bowl linear workflow in 3D.
  • This Colorspace Introduction talks about using linear color space in Photoshop and how this affects workflow
  • treat boils
    Mayweather vs Ortiz Spotsylvania DUI Lawyer Things to do in Bali Pacquiao vs Marquez Houston New Home Communities Virginia Reckless Driving Mayweather vs Ortiz Tickets Stafford DUI Lawyer Bali attractions Pacquiao vs Marquez Tickets Houston New Homes for Sale Spotsylvania Reckless Driving Mayweather vs Ortiz Live Streaming Houston New Home Builders Fredericksburg DUI Lawyer Pacquiao vs Marquez Live Streaming Cotto vs Margarito Houston new home What to do in Sydney Houston new homes Things to do in Sydney New Homes in Houston free scratch cards no deposit Website Design Cleveland </div> creative writing services
Retrieved from "http://www.mymentalray.com/wiki/index.php/Linear_color_space"
Category: Mr cookbook
Copyright © 2008 My Mental Ray Community. All Rights Reserved.
No part of this website may be reproduced unless for personal use without prior written permission from The My Mental Ray Community.