Mr Sun, Mr Sky & photometric lights

[Spacelord]

When using mr sky, mr sun and logarithmic exposure, I find when looking from the outside in most of the interior rooms are quite dark.
Placing a couple of IES/photometric lights in the interiors should have the correct light intensity, I find they don't produce much light at all. I have to turn up the intensity to see any light. Now this seems to defeat the purpose of photometric lights.
When I get time I'll setup a scene and some renders to demonstrate.

cheers

[MasterZap]

I challenge you to go outside on a sunny day and take any picture with any camera where you will see the indoors illuminated by indoors lighting. I mean, really.

A very strong worklight indoors may get you 500-1000 lux. Sunlight at noon is nearly 90000 lux.

/Z

[mmikee]

I challenge you to go outside on a sunny day and take any picture with any camera where you will see the indoors illuminated by indoors lighting. I mean, really.


Absolutely. When I see renders of exteriors in full daylight,
and the interior spaces are brightly lit, this just looks wrong to me. The same is true for interior scenes... the background
should "almost" be washed out bright when seen through the windows.

Regards,
Mike

[nisus]

Absolutely. When I see renders of exteriors in full daylight,
and the interior spaces are brightly lit, this just looks wrong to me.

Yeah i know... our clients (architects!) always force us to make 'light light light'-interiors on exteriors because they THINK there is a lot of light inside... It should be dark, but they can't cope with a LOGICAL explanation... in fact they force force force... and are never satisfied in the end, BECAUSE IT NEVER LOOKS REAL ENOUGH... duh!!! it CANNOT look real if you make it light...

for some reason, our clients cannot connect both ideas into one reality...

anyone else suffering from these kind of clients?


nisus

[mmikee]

Yeah i know... our clients (architects!) always force us to make 'light light light'-interiors on exteriors because they THINK there is a lot of light inside... It should be dark, but they can't cope with a LOGICAL explanation... in fact they force force force... and are never satisfied in the end, BECAUSE IT NEVER LOOKS REAL ENOUGH... duh!!! it CANNOT look real if you make it light...

for some reason, our clients cannot connect both ideas into one reality...

anyone else suffering from these kind of clients?


nisus

Yep. We get this all the time. Especially them wanting the
environment/sky, seen through the windows from interior scenes, to be the same intensity as the bitmap when viewed
in photoshop.

Regards,
Mike

[nisus]

Especially them wanting the
environment/sky, seen through the windows from interior scenes, to be the same intensity as the bitmap when viewed
in photoshop.


Yeah lol... I know that one too!

nisus

[luckymutt]

anyone else suffering from these kind of clients?


Haha.
Yeah I had a gig a while back where they couldn't understand that the underside of a white balcony (of the condo unit above the one being rendered) doesn't look pure white when it is in shadow!

Client - "But the balcony is supposed to be white! It looks grayish!"
Me - "But it is a sunny day at about 3o'clock...the underside of the balcony is gonna be in shadow..."
Client - "But it is supposed to be white !!"

same thing happened with this guy for the ceilings.
In the end, to make the client happy, I had to place several lights only illuminating certain things and casting no shadows.
All the way, I subtley pointed out that the image would veer further from Phot-realistic, so when it was done I wouldn't hear any overall complaint about how it looked.

Blah.

[Spacelord]

Hi Guys,
Its been a while since I started this thread.
I understand the whole sun is brighter than interior lights etc..
But the light in this render I would have thought
once the sun was setting it would be weak and you should be able to see the lights from inside.
I have cranked these lights up too.
I'm using mia_exposure_simple, photo metric lights inside and mr_sun and mr_sky.

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/9981/lot1sunsetpn5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)